Is A Conversation About Race Possible?
Posted by Mitch Mitchell on May 27, 2008
First, the quick story. On another blog, the writer quoted someone who said they'd gone to Africa, and after hearing that another country was apologizing for slavery, he wondered why no one had apologized to him while he was in Africa.
Initially I assumed the writer was white, then when I learned the writer was black, I indicated that he was misinformed, based on history I studied while in college, and history that can easily be found online. I was immediately attacked, or so it felt, by a woman who seemed to think I was cutting Africans a break just because they were black, and that they shared equal culpability in the slave trade. One of those things that happens with all of us, at times, is that we will tend to give back what we get, and since I didn't like her writing tone, I gave back the same. Not the most adult thing in the world, but there you go. She has eventually acquiesced, though not quietly, with the kind of argument I was expecting to get. I almost thought about not even going back to read the response, but, well, I'm like that sometimes.
I have to say, though, that after having that following up on my post on the N-word, and some other things that had been occurring, it made me start thinking about how, when the pressure is on and emotions start getting into it, that there's a major problem with the concept of minorities being able to actually talk straight with each other on the topic of race. It's somewhat disturbing, as someone who does diversity training, to realize just how hard something like that can be, to let go of thoughts and feelings that are strong and inflamed.
Here's a newsflash for some of you. Black people, behind closed doors, often say the same things that white people say about black people. There's a lot of stuff we hear on the news that black people do that just irk the heck out of us.
We have some of those same thoughts and feelings oftentimes. About ten years ago, even Jesse Jackson said that he's scared to walk outside at night, as well known as he is, because he's not sure if a young black man dressed as what he might perceive as a thug is going to hurt or rob him. How freaky is that, from the preeminent civil rights activist of my time? Even with that, though, we as black people really don't like the dirty laundry aired in public. Why?
Here's the difference, if I may. When white people say things like this about black people, it seems like it's words used in anger. When black people say these things, most of the time we're embarrassed. People from my generation still ask, as the first question whenever we hear some bad news of a crime on TV, if it was a black person that did it, and we hope that it's not.
These days it's much easier because of the names that many young black people have been given, and we're not sure how we feel about that either. I'm trying to think of the last time I heard that a young mother named her child Mark or Mary or Robert or Sue, unless they were named after someone else in the family.
However, there's another quick acknowledgment one has to make. When white people talk about themselves when they hear about crimes, they say the same hateful things about them as they say about black people. And once again, it sounds like they're saying these things more out of anger than embarrassment. I could be wrong, but that's how it seems. And it's part of the premise of this post.
I'm not sure how we can really talk to each other as a group and not misunderstand what the other is saying, or meaning. I participated in something known as the Community Wide Dialogue maybe 4 or 5 years ago here in the Syracuse area, where it's purpose was to try to open a dialogue between the races, as well as people of different social and financial backgrounds. The first week there was 14 of us; by the final week there was only 7 remaining. Even in a safe environment, it's a hard conversation to have.
So, where do we go from here? I'm not really sure. Obviously I have all sorts of friends, and I can say that with my friends I never see race, and hopefully they don't either. But when friendship is removed, and now we're looking at the world in general,... well, it's there, smacking us in the face with each new encounter, whether it's in person or not.
How do we open the dialogue that needs to take place so that, one of these days, we're all on the same playing field, with the same opportunities, and not looking over our shoulders to protect our safety because of race?
Now, having to deal with these problems without race is another matter, but maybe we can work on that one at the same time.
I think the reason why African-Americans don’t like their dirty laundry aired is because for the most part we are all lumped into one group. Just go to the blogs on syracuse.com and listen to what people say about us when a crime is committed. It’s not just the one person they lash out at it is all African-Americans. There are people within all races that are thieves, thugs etc…but they are not lumped into one group. When I see a white person doing something wrong I don’t lump them all into one category and say they are all this or that. But unfortunately most white people that I have encountered, when they see one African-American do something wrong we are all thugs, thieves etc… So yes we hate it when someone black does something wrong because it doesn’t matter that we fall into the lower, upper and middle class ranks just like any other group. For us we are all the same big group. For other groups it seems they are looked at as individuals.
Very good point, Linda, and I feel that myself quite often. I think of talk shows where women say they’re scared of black people because they had a bad experience, but then they’ll admit that they’ve had bad experiences with white people and it doesn’t affect them the same way because it doesn’t make them scared of white people. And it’s something else that makes it hard for us to have a proper conversation.
The trouble with a lot of people is that they are simply bigots and a lot of it stems from the way they were brought up by their parents and they will probably pass it on to their kids. As I am of Italian decent I had to grow up with the derogatory ‘wog’ and other racist words. It wasn’t easy but I thought as an adult things would change. Check out the comments left on this post I did awhile ago, and I thought I had left this sort of stuff behind me.
The thing is that it is quite OK for me to use the wog word amongst fellow Italian/Australians as we do not mean anything by it, but it is not always so when coming from outside. Still I don’t think I ever had to put up with the shit you guys must have had to deal with as you grew up. When will we all learn to live together in harmony?
For me, that perception of thuggishness/fear feeling comes more from presentation. If you’re walking down the street flashing ink in a muscle shirt, snarling, looking straight ahead to avoid eye contact and are clearly tensed up, I don’t care if you’re black, white, brown or pink, I’m avoiding you.
The “racial conversation,” as such, I don’t think gets us where we need to be. Even if you pull together people with varying backgrounds — economic, religious, education, skin color, whatever — everybody still has something important in common: the desire to talk about racial divisiveness, difference, etc.
Essentially, it’s a lot of people preaching to the choir.
I’m lucky in that my “otherness” is generally hidden. I know that for the most part, people in the U.S. don’t look at me and think “Jewish,” they look at me and think “white male.” I have the opportunity to entirely avoid conversations about “the other” and about being part of an “other” group. Sometimes, I actively look to engage in that conversation, but more often or not, it winds up being a small educational discussion with like-minded folks who aren’t 100% like me.
Wow Sire, I went and read your blog post, and I was just stunned by the one commenter who you finally had to block. Indeed, there is racism everywhere, even in Australia, but to have a government official actually approve it in some fashion,… just amazing.
Very good point, Josh, about us preaching to the choir whenever there is a real discussion on race. That’s not always true when one does a diversity presentation, as there’s always someone who kind of stands out as the one who you know is trying to get out of it, but sometimes you’re stunned by a statement that comes out of nowhere because that’s not the person you had identified who might be holding something back.
You’re also correct when indicating that some people, because of how they dress, will make you think twice, no matter the race. Maybe those are the ones we should put in a room together. 🙂
Here’s something else timely to add to the discussion, from CNN.
Thanks for the words, Mich. I actually got through the entire thing, and it’s quite insightful. I actually thought about the “I have best friends who are,…” line when I wrote that one part, but decided to go ahead and put it in. Of course, your statement about communications, and most of us lacking the art of communicating with each other in this day and age, still leaves the question unanswered as to whether or not we can really have a conversation on race; at least a safe one.
Of course we can. When people learn how to communicate, crossing bridges to attain that common ground is easier. Through sound mutual communication, people can come to see that we share common human bonds. People are so busy looking for the differences, which is great, but you still have to find the similarities first. Those similarities offer the means through which the common ground is established. From there, branching out to explore the uniqueness of each person/group becomes much less daunting.